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Driver Verifier- одна сплошная бага, я вообще удивлён, что данный раздел тесторования так серьёзно рассматривается.

Ааааа!!!! :lol::lol::lol:

Давно так не смеялся.

Что, DefenseWall постоянно падает под DriverVerifier? И именно поэтому в нем (то есть в DriverVerifier) баги?! :lol::lol::lol:

Ну, всем все понятно как бы. :D

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Что, DefenseWall постоянно падает под DriverVerifier? И именно поэтому в нем (то есть в DriverVerifier) баги?!

Если вы не сталкивались с ошибками DriverVerifier, то лучше молчать, чем показывать собственную некомпетенотость в данном техническом вопросе.

И нет, DefenseWall под Verifier'ом не падаем, но мне пришлось принять меры для того, чтобы обойти его недоработки. Или кто-то честно считает, что существуют программы без ошибок?

Да и вообще, попытки смеха над программами конкурентов- это типичный совок.

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Если вы не сталкивались с ошибками DriverVerifier, то лучше молчать, чем показывать собственную некомпетенотость в данном техническом вопросе.

Я вот по жизни все больше сталкивался с программистами, считающими, что падение под DriverVerifier - это его (DV) проблема, а не программиста.

И нет, DefenseWall под Verifier'ом не падаем, но мне пришлось принять меры для того, чтобы обойти его недоработки. Или кто-то честно считает, что существуют программы без ошибок?

Microsoft уже в курсе о данных ошибках? Раз уж на то пошло, может опубликуете суть этих ошибок?

Да и вообще, попытки смеха над программами конкурентов- это типичный совок.

1. Конкурентов никаких нет, поэтому не понял к чему это вообще.

2. "Смех" не над программой (и не над программами). А над конкретным заявлением (его сутью). И связан этот смех с тем, что я написал в первом абзаце данного сообщения. Слишком много в своей практике повидал людей, находящих "ошибки" в WRK, коде MessageBox и проч. нелепости.

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Илья Рабинович
Microsoft уже в курсе о данных ошибках?

Да, в курсе.

Раз уж на то пошло, может опубликуете суть этих ошибок?

ObReferenceObjectByHandle при вызове внутри ядерных обработчиков определённых функций генерирует ложное сообщение DV об ошибке. Если мне память не изменяет, это происходит в обработчике ZwDuplicateObject, но могу и ошибиться- много времени с тех пор прошло, обошёл и забыл.

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Да, в курсе.

Ого! И что же Microsoft по этому поводу сообщил? Новые версии DriverVerifier как-то по-иному стали рассматривать UserMode'ные хэндлы с правами KernelMode? :lol::lol::lol: Может, просто стали сообщать, что так делать не стоит? ;)

ObReferenceObjectByHandle при вызове внутри ядерных обработчиков определённых функций генерирует ложное сообщение DV об ошибке. Если мне память не изменяет, это происходит в обработчике ZwDuplicateObject, но могу и ошибиться- много времени с тех пор прошло, обошёл и забыл.

Да-да, я вот пока вижу то, о чем я говорил выше. "Нашел баг в WRK". Советую ознакомиться с сутью "ложной" ошибки от DV.

P.S. На всякий случай: я не злобный. Мое отношение связано с тем, что некую откровенную глупость пытаются с умным видом выдать за правду. Это особенно актуально там, где люди "не в теме" и не понимают техническую сторону вопроса.

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Илья Рабинович
Ого! И что же Microsoft по этому поводу сообщил? Новые версии DriverVerifier как-то по-иному стали рассматривать UserMode'ные хэндлы с правами KernelMode? Может, просто стали сообщать, что так делать не стоит?

Проблема в том, что так делать стоит, иначе некоторые вполне даже юзермодные хендлы не будут референситься. А вообще- это оффтопик здесь.

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Проблема в том, что так делать стоит, иначе некоторые вполне даже юзермодные хендлы не будут референситься. А вообще- это оффтопик здесь.

Ну то есть, "что и требовалось доказать" ©. Полнейшее непонимание принципов разделения KM/UM, о чем и сообщает любезнейший DriverVerifier. Мнение которого, к сожалению, не только игнорируется (!), но и оспаривается. Ведь баг у Microsoft! :lol::lol::lol:

Продолжайте лезть дальше с максимальными правами к UM handle'ам. Что закончится, например, BSOD'ом, либо reference'ом полнейшего мусора, причем с правами SYSTEM'а.

Успехов в полетах. :P

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А вообще- это оффтопик здесь.

Уже не оффтопик.

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